She let me in during her tour, in London. Her band members - especially Lenny Kaye - were shocked at the fact that I was filming Patti [Smith].
At the beginning I didn't even really think about making a movie [Dream of Life]. I was just thinking of documenting somebody.
It took 12 years to put this film [Dream of Life] together, but it was not until toward the end of those 12 years that I looked at Patti [Smith] and said, "Maybe we should do something with this footage."
I came up with more money, took all the footage, got a great editor and made this film [Dream of Life]. But I really didn't go into it with the intention of making a movie.
We had a hodgepodge of footage. We didn't film [in Dream of Life ]all the time - we would just film periodically, so nothing was synced and nothing was slated.
The only self-consciousness in the film [Dream of Life] is anyone's natural shyness.
I think those moments in Patti's [Smith] bedroom really helped the film [Dream of Life] out, and those moments existed because of the trust between us. There isn't any real self-consciousness in the film because we all like each other.
I quickly realized that Patti [Smith] was somebody very special.
Over time it just got more and more intense as far as the trust factor. For example, when we started editing the film [Dream of Life], I thought, man, I need to make sense of all the footage I have; I need to ground the film. And one day I was hanging out in Patti's [Smith] bedroom, which is where Patti works, and in the corner of her bedroom is this great chair, and that's when she began showing her personal things to me. The camera was there, and we realized that we were really making the movie and making sense of the footage in the movie.
We were just hanging out and getting to learn about each other. But I think trust was a really big thing. Patti [Smith] is a good friend, somebody I can talk to.
We just grew to trust each other [with Patti Smith] more and more over the years. Most of the time I didn't even have a movie camera.
I shot [Dream of Life] all on 16-millimeter, and I just wanted to learn about Patti [Smith].
I became Patti's [Smith] messenger, basically, and the film is my view of how I learned about Patti.
I was making a film [Dream of Life] about Patti [Smith], but I was taking pictures, too.
I remember when we were at Sundance, we were in Robert Redford's screening room, and I had never seen the film look so beautiful or sound so great. It was really big and really powerful, and I had a sense of accomplishment in finishing a project like this.
For me to see the film [Dream of Life] on a big screen - it's pretty extraordinary.
[Through the making of Dream of Life] I learned about being patient, perseverance, having a dream, a goal. I learned that I can accomplish something despite not knowing anything about it when I begin.
I never went to film school, so I just sort of learned on my own.
Sometimes my fashion pictures can look a little bit like documentary style pictures. So having a camera in my hand was normal.
Patti [Smith] was my experiment, to be honest. And the film is what we got out of it. At the end of the day, I learned a lot about how to make a film.