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But it is no good using the tongs of reason to pull the Fundamentalists' chestnuts out of the fire of contradiction. Their real troubles lie elsewhere.

Garrett Hardin
Real, Lying, Fire
Garrett James Hardin (1982). “Naked emperors: essays of a taboo-stalker”, Course Technology Ptr
But it is no good using the tongs of reason to pull the Fundamentalists' chestnuts out of the fire of contradiction. Their real troubles lie elsewhere.